在reddit回答过一次的问题,我觉得差不多算我对第八季的观感,贴过来记录下
When I read comments defending Clara by calling her an “independent and strong woman with equal importance as the Doctor”, I feel like what these people are defending is theideaof Clara, not her actual execution on screen.
The classic "tell with no show" writing style of Moffat sets the audience up with what Clara should be, can be, and wants to be. However, the actual episode-to-episode plot, dialogue, and dynamic with the Doctor sabotage Moffat's plan and turn the audience against Clara, because we do not find that intended connection or relation by watching the show ourselves.
We are constantly forced by the writers to applaud for her independency or strong character, while all she does is manipulating, abusing, and lying. It's like the writers give Clara a giant label read as "GOOD", then do whatever they want with her because she carries that label with her everywhere and is hence excused from whatever problem she causes.
As a companion, she is supposed to stand for humanity and morality, making the alien Doctor more sympathetic and kind. A character can totally do that while still having her own strong personality. A perfect example is Donna. Donna also disagrees with 10th constantly, but still can be gentle or firm in her own way to persuade and educate him. Clara does not have that likable quality to her, and most of the time her approach of choice is to slap, scold, or yell at the Doctor to get what she wants.
What is more awful is that it works.
The 12th Doctor tolerates her, even indulges her. No matter how problematic, selfish or stubborn Clara is, the Doctor does not clap back. He can be very cruel or indifferent in flashing moments when he faces the fragility of the human kind, but he is always vulnerable and compliant in front of Clara and all of her lies.
I think people also dislike Clara for what she does to the Doctor, or what she fails to offer him. She does not make 12th a better Doctor or a better man. People claim that she is the Doctor's equal. While in fact Clara thinks she is above him. She makes him suffer and it is horrifying to see how much he seems to enjoy the suffering. I feel bad for 12th and Peter Capaldi because they deserve a better companion. They deserve a better friendship. And better writing.
The relationship with Danny Pink is another example of "tell with no show". Clara quickly blurts out "because I love him!!" early in s8, when all we have seen from previous episodes so far are their unpleasant first date and awkward conversations at school. There is absolutely no chemistry between the actors and the dialogue is frustratingly bland. We are supposed to understand how much Clara loves this man who lacks personality and character. We are told to root for them by the writers who throw in a lot of "I love you"s throughout the season without showing how that love grows, flourishes, and matures.
Again, the ideaof Clara finding a new love interest and having a life outside the Tardis is a good story arc, but fails tremendously for the way it is actually carried out.
When you ask why people dislike Clara, they pull out receipts from various episodes in different seasons where her action, decision or exact lines show how annoying or un-enjoyable she is. When people defender her, the reasons are more likely to be "she's independent and strong", "she's a woman", "you don't like her because she's important". -- No, people dislike her because she is actuallynot likable. Not all of us can like a character for who she is supposed to be.
Also, I personally dislike her because I see how much potential she has and how that potential gets wasted, episode by episode, till she is no longer recognizable. I do not hate her. I just feel disappointed with her. And the creator of her as well. Clara reminds me of all the flaws of Moffat's writing during his era. All of his incoherenceand the tendency to come up with a fantastic idea only to drag it for way too long till the sparkle dies.
In a metaphorical sense, the vessel of Clara as a character is beautiful and promising, but there is nothing exciting or intriguing inside.
I dislike her the most when I am actually watching the show. When I'm away from the screen, my memory blurs a bit and I find her less frustrating. Over time, theidea of her has gradually replaced what she is really like in my head. But I re-watched some episodes this week and then saw this thread. I realize that she never grew on me. I simply forgot her flaws because there were too many and thinking about them is very unpleasant.
为什么总是这么喜欢指责博士🙄到底有什么理由觉得博士欠下她的了,又要谈恋爱又要波澜壮阔的旅行,还要双向隐瞒。而且难道不是过马路还打电话,这老哥才上马路撞死了,威胁博士要融化钥匙算怎么回事,博士把秘密都告诉她了结果被背叛……博士是自大没错,但是你要是这么讨厌他想要平静的生活那就在火车之后再也别回到塔亭斯啊……
clara我就不说了,太多人已经说了,说说pink,手贱情商低,和clara一样控制欲强,博士不喜欢军人,然后就一直给博士一个潜意识,你其实和下命令的指挥官一样,还时不时的对博士讽刺,你说什么都对,到最后missy把指挥权给了12他也不用,而是丢给Pink,其实不丢给Pink一样可以拯救世界,强行加戏让Pink获得英雄之名也是恶心,第七季之前我没快进过也没跳过,直到第八季…看到这个崽种就跳,到最后变成cyberman还要和clara缠绵我都想吐,到最后,所谓拯救世界只是missy把控制权都出去,谁拿到谁就是大英雄,强行加戏复活个难民小孩加戏感动,死了都要在圣诞特辑恶心
他不断对你说,看吧,博士就是这样一个人他只会下命令不想脏了自己手,你问我怎么拯救世界,我说只有这个办法,你不做我来做,只会下命令,然后你还嘲讽我我说什么都是对的,那我什么都不做好不好,不好,同样是想表达类似的,让博士质疑自己什么都是对的,已经自己做的是否正确,建议和S4E10这一集做一下对比,这一集的博士并不能化解问题,这一集的博士一个人去午夜星玩,一路上与乘客们有说有笑,差不多到达目的地的时候太空巴士停了,并有一种看不见的附身型怪物附身到一位乘客身上,被附身的乘客开始复读所有人说的话,大家都说要把这个被附身的人丢出去,只有博士说要与他交流和谈,乘务员也用那种强硬的语气和博士说要丢出去保护乘客们安全,这种时候就会和以往一样,给观众一种感觉,这个乘务员这种态度必定惹怒怪物害死全车人,但博士坚定把被附身的乘客留下来,被乘客们斥责,然而博士依旧认为“我说什么都是对的”,其中一一对夫妻,这两个人是最能带动整车人的情绪,声音大问题多出来事情最荒的那种各种质疑博士为什么我们要听你的,你留着那怪物不丢出去你是不是同伙,然后带节奏说要把附身乘客连同博士一起丢出去,还质疑为什么要听博士的,“因为我聪明!”他依然这样答到,很坚定的语气,然而慢慢的那只怪物开始从附身乘客分裂附身到博士身上,那对夫妻开始带节奏说要把博士丢出去,这时那个长得不好看甚至没名字不给博士好脸色的乘务员抱着附身乘客跳出飞船,她救了所有人,博士瘫坐在过道问有人知道这乘务员的名字吗?没人知道,这一集到这里就结束了,这一集的博士并不是英雄,而是那个没名字的乘务员,同样是表达博士“你说什么都是对的”这种嘲讽感,却不会让观众觉得恶心
上一次看可能还是五六年之前的博士之时,最近突然又想追了,于是接着第八季看起。
第一集的主题也很明确,借由博士质问机器人的话,“当你不停的换去身上的零件时,你还是你么?”,这句既是对机器人的拷问,更是博士对自己的独白。每一次重生都是新的皮囊,面对着新的旅程。而这一次显得更加特别,作为打破十二次规律的新一次重生,连doctor自己也没有适应这一次的重生,变得迷茫,甚至忘了怎么使用tardis。而clara更是无法适应,doctor换了一张满是皱纹的脸,生着灰白头发。不过二人最终还是适应了这次变化,doctor是在与流浪汉和机器人的两次交流中找回了自己,纵使皮囊变化了,但他的内心并未变化,他始终是那个doctor。doctor与机器人最大的不同,就是经历了十三次重生后He never changed his heart. 而clara,在机器人餐馆和doctor的冒险让她清楚地了解,他还是那个doctor,那个“狡猾”的doctor。而在本集结尾,clara收到了11th重生前的电话,嘱咐她照顾好现在的“老头”自己,clara答应了,她愿意和doctor继续冒险,换了张脸,但是他依然是过去的那个doctor。
我要是说我觉得是克拉拉让博士变成了一个更不好的人,你们会不会揍我。虽然被打上了control freak的标签,但我丝毫看不出她坚持的到底是什么,充满了双重甚至多重标准。博士像一个工具,做着一切讨好她的事情,既不是一个浪漫的要拯救所有人的博士,也不是一个铁血的追求最优选择的博士。
魔法特脑洞太大我好烦躁!好喜欢皮卡叔~最后一集又是噱头大于实际剧情。。。求圣诞特辑治愈我的心
如此有钱的剧组我已经不认识了!!!新片头&结尾看着都好想哭...
20200218 果然我还是喜欢小11的 纵使他对岳母一家的偏爱 不怎么心水克拉拉的原因是 她的智慧太刻意了 就像是导演安排好的那种 好吧 其实也是导演编剧的事 但就是觉得克拉拉有点出戏 演技无可挑剔 就是太金手指了 虽说是米西一手策划 但是克拉拉也太顺风顺水了吧 捂脸 博士一点没有怀疑 好吧 11居然守着圣诞几千年 12为了克拉拉也守了三千年 所以 博士到底几多岁了。。。。
最讨厌的同伴恋人以及同伴。永远无法理解一个穿越了博士时间线的人居然比rose还适应不了重生,这个女孩一点都不不可思议了。
个性古怪偏执无动于衷没有人类感情的外星爷爷侦探才是我心中的Doctor啊!!那些陪着青春少女谈恋爱的美貌偶像少年们滚远点好嘛!第一集的感情戏还是太多了拖拉。。为了照顾花痴少女的玻璃心么!
反正魔法特接棒以后,我就觉得所有的同伴都特别神烦(rory除外,可能其他同伴都太自我中心了),想念rose, 想念donna
-Why don't you like hugging, doctor? -Never trust a hug. it's just a way to hide your face.
一季到八季见证了刀客特剧组从三毛特效到三万特效的转变= = 这么有钱的剧组你谁【。
用了半个多季才开始get到12的节奏…用了整整一季才开始feel for克拉拉和12…最后一集什么也不说了,先让我哭一会……
一块钱特效,五毛钱剧本,皮卡叔大赞,魔法特差评!*四星全给萌萌哒皮卡叔*
季终集呵呵呵呵只能说Dalek girl和Cyberman boy果然是一对绝配哦呵呵呵呵呵。这季真的只有805和809好看。皮卡叔和Missy太棒,魔法特狗男女负分滚
叔再好也拯救不了糟烂的剧本和空洞的花瓶~
前面几集的设定太低能了。。。P.S.好讨厌粉红兵哥哥!!讨厌恋爱中的克拉拉!!各种低能!!!魔法特你这什么情况你恋爱了还是失恋了????
这一季又名:克拉拉不高兴。
皮卡叔我爱你!这季质量最多三星...五星给皮卡叔,那褶子脸,妖娆的手,女王的范。克拉拉继续崩坏,怎么说呢...就是魔法特过度消费这角色!finale她和丹尼的戏看得我直翻白眼...最后一段和皮卡叔两个liar倒有一点点点戳泪点
本季最开心的事:粉红死了。本季最惊奇的事:身为小11粉竟然爱上了皮卡叔的12任。本季最喜欢的一集:蜥蜴夫人和小姑娘出场那一集。下一季最大希望:再来多点复古元素好吗!
这姑娘真是目前为止最不喜欢的一个
最后的坑真的是。。。。。。。被魔法特烦死(进入DW圈的入门课) 皮卡叔萌萌哒
\ missy missy missy,so brilliant and bright,oh moffat you die!!!!! /